going to spend money to go to education, it ought to go to research and development. we're going to spend that money now on medicare, medicaid and social security. >> they totally take the pass on entitlements, which is the problem and then the president comes out and says, i'm not going to do this on the back of seniors. well, those seniors as we put in the article, are all taking out more than they put in. the bond market is a funny thing. in greece, the bond market was perfectly fine until february of 2010. not movinging, not doing anything and then in two weeks, it was over. when we were at 10 trillion and now, we're at 16 trillion, the interest cost on 16 trillion is 20% less than it was on the 10 trillion. now, come on. do you think that's sustainable? so, if you normalize interest rating, i'm not talking about just normalize where they were before qe and took them to 5.7% federal funding cost of this debt, that's 500 billion a year.